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February 11, 2005

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stephenesque

All this crap about protocol. Who cares? If Charles wants to marry the woman he obviously loves in whatever manner he finds meaningful, then good for him. As far as I'm concerned, it's too bad that Camilla doesn't want to put Diana's memory in the shade. I wish she would. - all those photo ops of Di with the wizened skull of Calcutta and her faithful band of lepers still leave me cold. Good luck to Charles and Camilla for their future happiness.

the Cardinal's wife

Perhaps Mrs. P. will come up with a recipe to celebrate the impending nuptials.

Mrs. Peperium

Head Cheese.

Mrs. Peperium

Stephenesque, it would be fine for Charles and Camilla if they were really Fred and Gladys. But unfortunately he's the future Supreme Governor of the Church of England as well as the Monarch. I know I'm tiresome. But when Church Officials believe they are above the rules you tend to end up with scandals like what happened in the Catholic Church in Boston.

stephenesque

An easy solution: change the rules. The old ones and pretty antiquated and silly anyway.

Mrs. Peperium

Do you mean dis-establishment? Now things are getting exciting.

Blimpish

Disestablishment isn't going to happen. Nobody wants it (except some in the Church itself) and it'd take years of Parliamentary time to achieve. Barring a revolution or the growth of the Muslim population over and above the Christians, it ain't even a possibility.

While I fully agree that HRH is not exactly gifted at managing his public relations, and the 'Defender of Faiths' stuff is just plain pathetic, he's not stupid. I don't agree with all his preoccupations, but he's certainly an independent mind - look, for example, at his unwillingness to kowtow to establishment liberal beliefs on the arts or architecture (or foxhunting, too). He's very much a conservative, even if an idiosyncratic one (see the DF stuff).

And he's not and won't be a Church official.

Mrs. Peperium

I love his 5 architects, the Queen's gallery, the Duchy Estate complete with the badger dens and find his watercolors quite pleasant. But he's a dim bulb when it comes to women and managing them. He's got a perverted sense of honor and bows to the desire of being modern at the wrong times. After the scrape the C of E just pulled him out of the 'Defender of the Faiths' is probably history. You may even just see a re-awakening of a 'High Church' movement.

Blimpish

Wa-hey. Maybe I'll lead it.

By the way, do you know that the DF title is an R.C. hold-over - Henry VIII was granted it by the Pope for writing an anti-Luther (I think) pamphlet and after Excommunication, it was retained. It's even on our coins (it says ELIZABETH II.D.G.REG.F.D. and then the year it was minted - Elizabeth II Dieu Gratia Regina Fidei Defensor, By the Grace of God, Queen and Defender of the Faith).

Monjo

Henry VIII was one awesome guy.

Mrs. Peperium

Monjo, you are so funny. Are you feeling better? Mr. P had pnemonia last year - dreadful. Blimpish, Henry VIII had Sir Thomas More right the rebuttal to Luther. For that, Henry was given the title. I've even heard that the stone seat that Christ sat upon when he read in the temple is somewhere in your, I mean the possssion of the Monarchy. It was brought back from the Crusades.

Blimpish

You mean we didn't leave an artifact of massive Christian importance in the hands of Islam? Shocking behaviour really.

I could quite believe Sir Thomas (St Thomas More to you?) did more of the work against Luther - although all leaders get remembered for their underlings' work. I'm with Monjo re Henry VIII - he was a great King. This applies even if you have reservations about the Henrician Reformation (which I do) - Anglicanism has been better for us than would have been a more direct embrace of Protestantism.

Mrs. Peperium

Yes, definitely St. Thomas More to us. Traitor to the throne to you. Lady Jane Grey and Thomas Cranmer would disagree with you over a more direct embrace of Protestantism. Cranmer was in the non-transubstantiation crowd but worded the Book of Common Prayer so you could interpret it both ways. I need to flesh out some more where I was headed on Civil Marriage encouraging Same-Sex Marriage or unions. Perhaps tomorrow. I have 24 strawberry jam tartlets to make for a preschool Valentine's Day Party in the morning.

Monjo

We can learn a lesson from Henry VIII. Henry's first wife, Catherine of Aragorn, was the widower of Henry's older brother, Arthur.
Deuteronomy 25:5 suggests that this may have been the correct course of action.
[The Bible says nothing - afaik - about marrying your elder sister's ex boyfriend, as in the case of Diana and Prince Charles]

Regarding the religion. Henry VIII was a devout Catholic and the CofE was definitely setup as a subset of Catholicism. However under Edward VI, the Duke of Somerset - who acted as regent - changed the religion through a bunch of protestant reforms.

Queen Mary then tried to reverse all this and make England Catholic once more. Then came Elizabth I, who had a nice long reign (45 years). Under her the Church of England was officially established (1563) with Protestant dogma, but a liturgy, rites, and church organisation which were essentially Catholic in form.
Anyways, the CofE is definitely a Protestant religion and this can be seen by studying the oaths Elizabeth R undertook in her Coronation.

Oh, and, yes I am feeling a little better, thanks :)

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