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July 25, 2006

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Andrew Cusack

I used to walk by Tom Paine's grave on the way to school. I spat on it a number of times; it became a sort of good-luck ritual.

Andrew Cusack

P.S.: I should note his body hasn't been there for quite some time actually. It was moved back to England and lost in transit.

Mrs. Peperium

You spat daily on the grave of one of my relatives?

Andrew Cusack

And how!

Mrs. Peperium

Alright, I can countance a lot of behavior from you Mr. Cusack. Why, I've allowed you to turn Patum Peperium into your own own private message center and a place to meet wealthy chicks. But this time you've gone too far.

As for Thomas Paine, what did he ever do to you except help to free you from British citizenship? Do you realise the American Revolution was just the natural outcome of the Reformation? Do you realise that if these wrong-headed Protestants had not broken with England the Catholic Church would have been suppressed in this country like it has been in England? Do you realise that Connecticut, until the time the Comte de Rochambeau came through with his army to help General Washington, did not allow Catholics in it? Rochambeau brought a priest along with him and, I might proudly add, that was the first Catholic priest to say Mass in Connecticut and it was a stone throw's from my whatever great-grandfather's home. Of course that grandfather (Congregationalist) was a wrong-headed protestant but, hey, wrong-headed protestants can do the right thing occasionally. The founding fathers were very adamant about separation of church and state - meaning no state religion like -ah-the-heads-up-their-cassocks Anglican we-can-believe-whatever-we-want-to-believe-because-I-love-you-and-you-love-me-group-grope-Church. As a result, America has allowed religion to flourish here, including the Catholic Church.

The Catholics had a place to flee to during the potato famine. Many of the English saw that famine as an end to their "Irish Problem". Sure life was tough for the Irish when they got here but they were alive. Which they couldn't be sure of back in the old country. All immigrant groups have been allowed to migrate here and practice their religion freely including the Jews. America has been one of the best friends the Jews have ever had and that is one of the reasons I believe this country has done so well.

Thomas Paine may have gone against his King. But since that King had already gone against God and set up his own church, I say all bets are off for whom is owed what. Roger Scruton did nail it with; "an act of rebellion, but...a gesture of obedience: to law, to custom, and to God"

Mr. Peperium

Funny, as I was writing this post I was thinking how wrong-headed it is of us to try "reforming, republicanizing, and democratizing" the Middle East. More to the point, I was getting irritated that instead of baldly persuing our own interests (self-defense being top on the list) we feel compelled to dress everything up in do-gooderistic rhetoric.

On the other hand, freeing people is always a good thing. And free republics--or at least freely chosen governments--are probably our best line of defense in that part of the world. Those who whine that the regimes we help set up over there may one day oppose us make me laugh in a bitter, hacking way. What do they think France did after WWII?

I am of two minds, like a keyboard where there are two writers.

Mr. Peperium

Wait as rootin'-tootin' minute here...I married into Tom Paine's family?

rootin'-tootin' minute's up

Nice post, Mr. P.
Unusual custom, Mr. Cusack.
Mrs. P, you missed the battle in Westport between Mr. P and Mr. Cusack concerning the relative merits of the concept of rebellion (exemplified by 1776) and secession (1860)--you must join the fray, next time.

Fiendish

Mrs. Peperium

Yes you did. Where have you been for the last 15+ years? Hello?????

Mrs. Peperium

Ah, Fiendish...that wasn't Westport. It was Southport. Doesn't anyone know anything around here?????

Andrew Cusack

I don't give a steeplejack's penknife about Connecticut. While those ignoramii in Connecticut were oppressing the Church we already had a Catholic governor and a Jesuit college in New York, c.f. http://www.andrewcusack.com/blog/2006/01/thomas_dongan_2.php

Fiendish

Mrs. P's frustrations with Mr. P and myself (better company than I usually have when I'm in hot water around here) reminds me of the educator who confronted a young Yogi Berra.
When asked by his second grade teacher if he knew anything:
"Ma’am, I don’t even suspect anything."

Mrs. Peperium

Fiendish, my frustrations with Mr. P, you and that backwater Catholic college supporter Old Cusack are over. I've moved on. I've just learned in the last hour that The Bad Boy of The New Criterion trashed the book that Boy Mulcaster gave me.

Mrs. Peperium

If none of that makes sense - go over to Man About Mayfair.

Mr. Peperium

Thanks for the thumb's up, Fiendish. I'm trying to be more of a presence around here. The new job may help that along.

As to my question about the wisdom or lack thereof in our present war: it is a question that conservativees can take opposite views of with equal ease. Which means, if nothing else, that we of the Tory Party really do have room for thoughts and ideas. Look what's happening to the honorable gentleman from Connecticut at the hands of his own party.

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