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February 15, 2008

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miriam

What a well-stated argument. However, after viewing a Man for All Seasons, I did a little research. Thomas More did not mind putting men who he disagreed with to death. Au contraire. He also courted martyrdom. If he had been a sensible fellow, he would have fled to France, as many another did.

Mrs. Peperium

Welcome Miriam. Could you please flesh out a bit more:

"Thomas More did not mind putting men who he disagreed with to death."

The way it is stated is sounds as if there was no reason to put the men to death other than More disagreed with them. Which to modern ears sounds perfectly dreadful. But to ears of Thomas More's age those words would sound spot on. More was both the Lord Chancellor and "the King's Conscience." He was allowed to take in more than just common law went when helping to make his decisions of cases that went up before the High Courts. More was appointed by the King to do this and it was lawfully-held power. It was Thomas More's brilliant argument against the German (Luther) reformation that earned (if memory holds) Henry VIII, the much bandied about by the Anglican Church to this day, title of the Defender of the Faith. A title that HM Queen Elizabeth carries proudly but has done nothing herself to uphold the Faith except to not divorce her husband. (the Church of England has fallen under her reign, not flourished -check the stats on membeship, the sales of rectories for instance and how many C of E clerics are in same-sex civil unions instead of a Christian marriage with a member of the opposite sex.)

If simply doing you job makes one guilty of courting martyrdom, then by all means, Saint Thomas More, was brave enough to remain faithful to his job, the laws of his country, his King and his God and earned martyrdom the hard way. He lived in the tower of London as a prisoner for years and then lost his head, literally.

May we have more like him with the courage to court martyrdom than the King's favours.

Mrs. Peperium

By the way, I left out a most important fact, when one was made the "King's Conscience" one was given a real seal - and also not allowed to leave England as that is where the King was. The first time the "King's Conscience"was allowed to leave England (to visit Canada) was in about 1907.

For Thomas More to have fled England to avoid matrydom, then he would have gone not only against his conscrience as an Englishman but against the King's Conscience.

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